Jenny Evans:
[0:17] Hey, welcome back to Monsters of Curiosity, where we explore questions and ideas that we are curious about, and you're probably curious about,
Jenny Evans:
[0:29] and unpack it and offer our perspective. So, I'm Jenny Evans, and with me we have Susan Evans and Paul Conroti.
Susan Evans:
[0:41] Woo -hoo. That's all I've got.
Jenny Evans:
[0:46] Wow.
Susan Evans:
[0:47] Woo-hoo.
Jenny Evans:
[0:50] All right.
Jenny Evans:
[0:52] So only Susan, well, Susan Paul kind of knows the topic. I have no idea what we're talking about today. So, Susan, what do you got?
Susan Evans:
[1:01] It's really, there are a lot of layers to this. We may want to say, okay, we'll talk about this for now and then unpack some technological interest later. So Eric and I were returning from a trip and we're sitting in an airport lounge and they're always semi-packed. And so people are waiting to get in. So it's full and we're in the very back of the lounge with probably 20 people and you know how they pod them out. And there's a woman who comes in, sits down, and puts her laptop on the table, opens it up, plugs in, and you realize, oh, she's doing a call with her team.
Susan Evans:
[1:46] And she had both earpods, I don't know what she had in, she had them both in so you can't tell how loud you're talking. And she was talking very loud, very loud. And nobody really cared. You know, we were all doing our own thing. And then suddenly, I don't know if anybody, I found this fascinating. She starts saying, well, Bill, your store location is 6735. And based on that, what the overall company internal goals are is to get more vaccines in because with the vaccines, we're going to be making more money. So your store has to go from this revenue point to that revenue point. And I'm listening to this going.
Susan Evans:
[2:27] You do know we can all hear you. And I thought, you know, I thought, why would she be yelling all this stuff out? Employee names, store locations, vaccine revenue targets, regional tactics based on national tactics and what's coming from headquarters. And while she's going through all this, I open up Claude and say, I'm listening to a person in an airport lounge, and here's what she's saying. Can you tell me what company she's with? And they said, they, like Claude, like I'm having the conversation, said, wow, if she's discussing employee names, vaccine revenue targets, regional tactics, it's got to be internal business information. And I said, it sounds like it's a pharmaceutical or like a pharmacy chain. And they said yeah it's probably cvs walgreens because i said i'm i'm in the southeastern part of the united states and then she starts saying here's the store numbers and i said they have a she just named the store number and i plug in what store is this and it comes back and it says the name of the pharmacy that we all know and said and it's at 847 third avenue north in Jacksonville, Florida. And I was like, holy shit, I can find out everything this woman is talking about because I'm plugging shit into Claude asking these questions.
Susan Evans:
[3:52] And then she said, as she continues to talk loudly, she goes, well, I need you to go into Stornet. And in that, what we're going to do is find out what the revenue goals are. And for the two new people on the team, Sally and Jessica, we're going to do these things. And so I plug into Claude, what is Stornet and who owns that? And it comes back and says, this is a proprietary software and it's from this company. And so it's naming the company and everything. And now I'm going, okay, so what are their internal goals? Because this is a publicly traded company. And I'm hearing that vaccine increases throughout the region are important for fiscal success. And I'm like, I think I should be hearing this much less. What if sitting around me in this group of 20 are all CVS employees coming back from a conference, hearing what their competitors' goals are? I was just like, I can't believe this is going on. I mean, it was like the craziest thing. And so I come out of it. I know the company. I know the store level goals. I know the individuals on her team. I know some of the tactical plans at a local regional level that they're trying to reach to hit goals so they can have a good quarterly call. And I was so then all of this that's a problem I then start asking.
Susan Evans:
[5:16] If I know their financial goals can I use that for my own personal gain if I can trade it on the stock market, and Claude's like no you really can't do that I'm like but I don't know if it's confidential or not so what are the parameters because I know people pay a lot of money for insider information blah blah blah that's legal blah blah blah it's like no you really can't do that don't do that and so I was like okay good to know I'm like, should I say something to her? And it's like, well, you can, if you want to, because she talked for like an hour and 20 minutes, all this information coming out. And I couldn't believe it. And so I thought it's an interesting topic for us on, one, don't do it. Let's just get that out of the way for a learning. But two, It's such a breach. And I know that people are trained not to do this at the level she was at. She's clearly a regional manager. I don't know what the hell she was doing. Certainly a friendly person, but oh, my God.
Paul Konrardy:
[6:19] Questionable ethics.
Susan Evans:
[6:20] Questionable ethics. Is it something you should tell?
Susan Evans:
[6:24] And what I found most interesting was if I hadn't had an AI program on my iPad, I wouldn't have been able to find out any of this. I was literally, as she was talking, plugging stuff in. And it's like, I'm going to narrow down the company. I'm going to narrow down their last quarterly report. I'm going to narrow down all of this for you. And Eric and I were talking. He's like, well, I thought vaccines had been spun off. I'm like, well, apparently not, according to Claude. It's right here. The whole thing, I thought, you have to watch out what you're saying. Because she could have been amongst a VP from Boots, from anybody anywhere, and she's spewing this shit out. And I thought, one, are you trying to get fired? Two, are you a spy for CVS or somebody else? I mean, I don't know. But it was so fascinating for me that I thought it's an ethical discussion. But I was more interested in how AI can play a part now in eavesdropping.
Jenny Evans:
[7:33] Susan, I don't know if I should be amazed and impressed by you or completely freaked out.
Paul Konrardy:
[7:40] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[7:43] That would never dawn... I guess, you know, I spend a ton of time in airport lounges. I'm always just like So busy Doing my own thing I have my invisibility cloak on Not I'm like I guess I need to pay more attention When I'm in the airport
Paul Konrardy:
[7:57] Well if you want to increase your portfolio illegally.
Susan Evans:
[8:00] Yeah
Jenny Evans:
[8:01] Spending more time more productively.
Paul Konrardy:
[8:07] Um, I don't know. I'm appalled and fascinated by this topic. I think the topic is what, the most expensive conversation you never knew you had, something like that. And yeah, that is, I mean, you've ticked a bunch of boxes there, Susan, with, you know, how do you handle internal data or information? How do you protect an enterprise's proprietary information? And it does point out that the human factor is always the problem. And then now when you layer on that other checkbox of having access to an LLM that can help you process that information so quickly, you could do it in real time. I mean, you're talking about espionage techniques that are, you know, they've been around, but we've just never been available to the general public. So it's fascinating. I mean, if you had recorded that, you could have had a transcript that could have been run through a bunch of different processes to find out all kinds of other information. I mean, it was a breach on a magnificent level. And what we have available from just eavesdropping now, sorry, that's kind of what it was, is fascinating. It's a cautionary tale of cautionary tales.
Susan Evans:
[9:28] Yeah no it was there were 20 other people and you could see people were listening to her every now and then because nobody else was talking it was almost as if she was giving a seminar to people who weren't interested because you know but as i was listening there i was like because it really was i'm eavesdropping with ai and here's the field guide as to how to do it yeah because i had it available? And I was like, because I was just curious. I was like, who the hell does she work for? Because she's, She's pulling up info on her screen. So, you know, like when we do now, we could share a screen and she's pulling up financials. She's like, OK, column A1. And she's going through the whole thing. And I was like, you realize we can hear you. And it is a kind of who's in the room. You know, with you as you're going through this. I don't know who these other people were. I knew who Eric was. I don't know who this woman is, but I know who she works for. I have a pretty good idea of her title. I know the names of two of the new employees she has. And she was talking to probably five people. And I know three store goals in Jacksonville.
Paul Konrardy:
[10:48] I mean, there's just so many opportunities for reverse engineering, all of that. I mean, it's just crazy.
Susan Evans:
[10:53] That's what I did. I was like, I'm sitting there, she's broadcasting all this
Susan Evans:
[10:56] stuff. And so I thought, I wonder what the hell's going on.
Paul Konrardy:
[11:00] I'm old enough to remember when laptops were new. And I recall a time when people would like have the laptop out with in ice, you know, ice space of people to be able to read your screen. And then recall that they ended up putting like a some kind of a polarizing filter you could or lens that you could put over like a screen protector. And then so people next to you couldn't read it. You had to be straight on to see it. I'm sure that's still available. But I think people just forget. I think the whole notion, the ubiquity of technology is that people forget their boundaries and at their own peril. But it is so real. And what you just described just sounds horrifying. If I was in the corporate security department for whatever company that was, I'd be freaking out.
Jenny Evans:
[11:51] Or for any company you know now because you know this happens you know hundreds if not thousands of times a day when people are working from home i mean if you're in an apartment and you're talking loudly the person who lives in that apartment next door might be able to hear everything that you say.
Susan Evans:
[12:14] Yes and i think that the piece of it.
Susan Evans:
[12:20] The piece of it that was interesting to me was, well, it's twofold. One, she could have been sitting with competitors. She could have been sitting with a regulator or a journalist or an analyst that covers her field. You know, it's like, and they're going to go, wait a minute, you know, or she could have been sitting next to, you know, her company's VP of security that she would never have met. This company is fucking enormous, you know. but and then so that was like a you i know at that level you're trying to watch what you say i'm not sure what she was thinking she's she was a smart person but maybe not a careful person but eavesdropping everybody does it you hear it you're at dinner you know you hear conversations when you're at dinner but what i started thinking was as i was sitting there doing it it's like, AI makes it actionable and now I can do something with what I'm hearing in the moment within 90 seconds and that was the piece where I was like, this changes the airport lounge game I mean it changes any game but it was like I.
Susan Evans:
[13:34] Because what you can find out legally is one thing about competitors in industries but this sort of thing I was like, AI eavesdropping, I don't know if there's any wall around that yet of what you should be able to do or not. I mean, I was like, wow, this is really interesting.
Paul Konrardy:
[13:55] You brought up a bunch of concerns, a bunch of topics that have some people concerned and other people could care less. But for the majority of us that are business owners, to think about that kind of stuff getting out there would be absolutely horrifying.
Paul Konrardy:
[14:15] I don't know if that rises to the level of determination, but it is definitely something of like, we've got to remind people, we can't do this. You know the last large company i worked for was global in scope and they sent out this oh so boring uh handling sensitive data as like a video testing you had to go through and you had to show that you watched this and it told you all the ethical things and they kind of use an example like that not specifically for an airline lounge but it's like make sure that you aren't in a place where people can overhear our proprietary data. I mean, it's out there. I always thought of it as like, you know, the insurance company made them do it. That kind of thing. They didn't really want to do it, but it's like the insurance company, that's how they got a discount on their insurance to make everybody participate. But I mean, I think that's a standard corporate response to this sort of thing, but it clearly didn't register for this person. But I think you're adding that next layer onto it is the access we have to process information that we may not have had as easily at our fingertips at one time.
Susan Evans:
[15:27] That was the piece that was interesting because as she talked.
Paul Konrardy:
[15:32] The more you knew.
Susan Evans:
[15:33] The more I knew. Because when I started, it was like, somebody's doing this and here's what they're saying. It's like, it can be in this industry. They just said, this store number, okay, that narrows it down. I can find that. And it's like, I wouldn't know how to find that, frankly. And then it was, she's naming software that the company uses. And that's when claude said it's this is the company and this is probably what she does and these are her people and i was like holy effing you know and that was 20 minutes into her hour plus meeting i knew exactly what she was and so it was that was a piece of me where i was like this is really um i i feel like we should warn everybody yeah because if i can do it you know And I'll be honest with you, I can do it because we had literally no work with us. And I was sitting there, was that or Scrabble? And so this was more interesting.
Jenny Evans:
[16:34] Corporate espionage or Scrabble?
Susan Evans:
[16:36] Yeah, exactly. Should I expose someone and get them fired or Scrabble? Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[16:43] I mean, I really wonder, once she got off that call, had you just turned your Claude screen around and just said, just so you know, I mean, and I'm trying to get again, like, I love psychology, and I'm trying to understand what made her think that this was a good idea, you know, or like, this perception of anonymity if, well, I've got my headphones in, um, I don't know, like forgetting that, yeah, you have a human voice that everyone can hear or just assuming that people aren't going to care what she's talking about. I'm just trying to understand her decision making. And even if it was she got caught, a delayed flight, she's missing this meeting, she has to show up for this meeting. There's probably so many other places that she could have gone to do this yes that would have been more private but
Paul Konrardy:
[17:56] Uh-huh or postpone it. I'm sorry postpone it if you can't... i mean those it just seems like the risk is too great and now with the added threading of the needle that is allowed to us with with those llms were i just think we're at a risk because it would
Paul Konrardy:
[18:18] Have been better if she had been in a noisy main um terminal area than in a airport in the airport lounge because think about the airport lounge clientele is going to be people who would understand the things that she's talking about because they deal with it all the time not i don't mean this to be like classes or anything like that but it's like at least she'd have you know have better chance of having people around her who didn't know what she was talking about it just seems really really odd that she would choose such a high profile place to do that type of thing but yeah do you what sorry i said i'm old because i know when i knew when laptops were new um what do you think about this being a digital native kind of blind spot like you know people are so into the device because they're of a generation where they don't know of a life without that so they just don't even contemplate the human factor of what's around them at the time you think that plays a factor in this maybe
Paul Konrardy:
[19:28] I'm curious about that.
Susan Evans:
[19:33] I don't know.
Paul Konrardy:
[19:36] The looks on your faces are just brilliant. You're just like, fine, Paul, you've lost your mind again. okay?
Susan Evans:
[19:42] No, but I think it's not one thing. I think, Jen, when you said, I'm trying to wrap my head around the psychology of this, because this woman was clearly smart, knew what she was doing. Was from a corporate world, because the reason I even tuned into it, once she was loud, everybody tuned into it, but she was like, oh, and then we'll do some onboarding. We'll need to check back. And it was all that corporate phrasing where I was just like, oh God, I hate that crap. And that's where it caught me. And then she started talking and I was like, oh, this is interesting. Why would you do this? Because you're clearly a smart person. Does airport lounge mean anonymity to a certain age? Does it mean no? I don't know. And that's why I couldn't wrap my head around. I'm like, something's off here and I can't figure out what it is. So because I couldn't wrap my head around it either.
Jenny Evans:
[20:37] How old was she? Would you guess?
Susan Evans:
[20:40] 40s, in her 40s.
Jenny Evans:
[20:43] I mean, because probably your question about, you know, if you're a digital native, I think you actually have a better understanding about privacy and.
Paul Konrardy:
[20:57] It's counterintuitive what I'm saying, but I wonder.
Jenny Evans:
[21:00] Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:01] You're right. There should. There would be.
Susan Evans:
[21:04] Mm hmm.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:05] I would think so.
Jenny Evans:
[21:07] Susan, I just I think it's I don't think she was as intelligent as you're assuming she was.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:13] That's why I said seemingly earlier.
Susan Evans:
[21:16] Oh, my God. Because she knew what she was talking about. And so maybe it was sort of an aneurysm of I know my job and nothing else. But I was really, I don't know. I think, I don't think anybody else cared in there unless they were an analyst or a reporter.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:35] Well, the risk was there. The risk was there.
Susan Evans:
[21:38] The risk was there.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:40] Yeah. Even if only one person heard it, like you, and, you know, then they tell ten people, and they tell ten people. I mean, it's that kind of thing. I mean, even this conversation is going to lead people to think through.
Susan Evans:
[21:50] What I say in a report lounge.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:52] Maybe I need to be more mindful of this in the future. This is a great cautionary tale.
Susan Evans:
[21:57] It really, that's what I thought, too. But the thing that fascinated me was how fast I figured out were between the store numbers, the software, store net, and all this other. It's like... You know, these are things that nobody would know, but when you plug it into an LLM, it takes the world's knowledge and goes, here's exactly what's going on. And I thought, this is really horrifying...
Paul Konrardy:
[22:22] And you didn't even have to tap into the NSA.
Susan Evans:
[22:24] If I was a bad person.
Susan Evans:
[22:25] Yeah. What was funny was when I asked Claude, I'm like, should I say something to her? Because Claude pulls in, well, you love your dog, so you should say something to her. And it's like, oh, for the love of God, that has nothing to do with the dog. Because you know how Claude pulls in stuff that we've talked about for the last three years? I was like, no, I appreciate that, but no. Claude said, you're semi-retired, so she's lucky it's you doing this. And not someone who is a journalist or and i thought this is really interesting if depending on who you are and how you leverage that llm in a situation it could be really damaging because i said i don't want to get her in trouble but i just know that this is not if if she was told this is what I know, she would be horrified because that's not the intent. But at what point do you not figure out where you are? And that goes back to the psychology of what gap is there if you're not feeling? I mean, that to me was the holy cow.
Paul Konrardy:
[23:37] That puts it into the realm of competing interests and what she prioritized at that time and was connecting with her team without prioritizing the ethical issue that she was violating so it's it's and you know whether whether that person was right in doing so is kind of a judgment call but it's like there was clearly priorities being met in a way that probably didn't really meet the overall arching goal of what the priority should be but it's fascinating, Susan. I think that's a, I love this topic.
Paul Konrardy:
[24:14] So what can we do about this?
Susan Evans:
[24:18] I am, Claude and I are now very close and in a strong relationship, that I am going to ask for kind of a field guide for both sides. And then I think we should look at it and publish it because it's like person on the call. What you need to think about, what kind of calls do you have in an airport lounge? That I think needs to be the first thing. you can do a thousand meetings that mean nothing people do them every day so it's like that should be no problem but i think there needs to be like a corporate policy somewhere that says you start talking about anything that we have said is um confidential it's not an airport lounge because to your point paul, people will know how to do well any you can be anywhere in an airport you got to be very careful while you do this stuff i think it should be my corporate policy would be there's nothing confidential talked about in an airport i hate it just leave it at that because human interpretation there is going to be well it didn't seem like anybody would know what i was talking about it's like jesus christ you know i didn't either i had no idea what she was talking about until i pulled AI in. I said, what is she talking about?
Paul Konrardy:
[25:40] Oh, so you're the problem. Oh, okay.
Susan Evans:
[25:43] I am the problem. But I thought, okay, I knew I was the problem when I was doing this because Claude was fairly horrified. He's like, what are you doing? You can't use this information for trading. It's like, it's not my only trade. It would just be something I would know about. I'm like, no, you can't do that. I thought, okay, fine, fine.
Paul Konrardy:
[26:01] Okay. Well, I just have to throw this out there because you know contrarian is fun do you think that claude knew what it was talking about was it hallucinating this
Susan Evans:
[26:10] Oh no because i always ask claude what am i forgetting what makes this a smarter question what are you forgetting i was going through the whole thing saying why do you think it's this company what why would you well because i know this this and this and the other companies use this this and that and i'm like oh good to know.
Paul Konrardy:
[26:26] Well see there's a technique right there that that is helpful for people i love that
Susan Evans:
[26:30] Yeah no i don't trust anything they tell me so i push back ever since telling me my dog was gonna die and they were wrong so i was like that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard like you're right i'm like i know i'm right you know so it's ridiculous so but i think the bigger picture stuff of, And this is what I take comfort in because I know, because I was like, am I doing something wrong? It's like, no, you're not doing anything wrong. You're eavesdropping, but you're leveraging it with AI because you're curious and you want to know what's happening. And I was like, every public conversation before that had been relatively invisible and now it's not. And that was the piece to me that I thought this is really fascinating and like a tipping point in holy shit. And it's a publicly traded company.
Susan Evans:
[27:21] So now it's even more interesting. And so that was the piece to me where I was like, wow, conversations are no longer invisible because I can find things out on my phone by using the apps for all these AIs. And I know, oh, what is the company? It begins with a P. It's already doing this, listening in to everything. Essentially, what's happening is I'm becoming the government listening to everything we say because I can do it on my own on a phone to figure out enough.
Paul Konrardy:
[27:54] Yeah. Are you talking about Palantir?
Susan Evans:
[27:56] Thank you. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. Yes. That's essentially I felt like a little tiny Palantir doing this because I was like.
Paul Konrardy:
[28:03] Yeah, the NSA has been doing it for years.
Susan Evans:
[28:07] I know. And I just feel like everybody.
Paul Konrardy:
[28:09] You know, we've just been surveilled forever. But it sounds like you got one of those. Remember in Harry Potter when they had that ear that they were holding up? They were hanging the ear from the upper level to listen in on the conversation with the. Anyway, if you're not a Potterhead, you can ignore that. But I think you need to get one of those, Susan. Now, whenever you're anywhere, you can have your ear out there.
Susan Evans:
[28:32] Well, now I'm just, I'm going to be in airport lounges and I'll come in and sit beside you and just listen and start typing away, you know?
Paul Konrardy:
[28:39] Well, do you suppose, do you suppose if they had just used the chat feature of their meeting platform, it would have even popped into your screen?
Susan Evans:
[28:49] No, she was sitting, she was sitting, if the room was a clock, I was at like four o'clock and she was at 1130. She was far away from me. I couldn't see her screen. I couldn't see anything. So I was just listening.
Paul Konrardy:
[29:07] There's a takeaway. Always use chat when you're in a public space.
Susan Evans:
[29:11] Yeah. I'm going to type this in so you guys can look at it. Yeah. But yeah, she was really broadcasting to anybody who had an AI app and suddenly went, what the hell? Yeah. It kind of freaked me out. It really freaked me out. I'm still processing. Still processing.
Paul Konrardy:
[29:29] Do we need to have a red light above our head that says using AI? Having that on? Because like the broadcast on air using AI.
Jenny Evans:
[29:40] That's why I've been so quiet during this podcast, Susan. I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't trust being around you anymore.
Susan Evans:
[29:48] I am the tip of the arrow of the, it was really eyeopening for me because I thought, man, I, cause other people were typing and doing stuff. I'm like, you know, these four, there were three other men just heads down going. And I thought, well, they could be doing the same damn thing. I don't know. And that's where it was like, what used to be invisible became very visible. And so that's why I was like as I've been going through this it's like I am still processing what all of this means because it's like there's the what the hell was she doing why was she, over sharing confidential information unaware I mean ignorant I don't think ignorant she's like I said she seemed like a smart person but completely unaware of her surroundings and how loud she was And so there's that And then there's the What I can do with AI And then suddenly, Eavesdropping can become An action And, for good or evil within two minutes. And it's like, or it can just be, wow, that was interesting. Great. Done. Forget it. Who cares? But that was, I'm just like, this is really an interesting kind of inadvertent step off the tram. It's really, it freaked me out and it has stuck with me because of what I could find out so far.
Paul Konrardy:
[31:15] It's the ethical dilemma of our time. I feel like we should have that guy from the voiceovers in the movie theater,
Susan Evans:
[31:21] The ethical dilemma of our time to listen or ignore.
Paul Konrardy:
[31:29] Well, it does kind of boil back to that. But at the same time, I think there's a healthy curiosity about it that you tapped into.
Susan Evans:
[31:39] Well, and I think, too, it's like the takeaway for me was, dear God, know what you're talking about and where. and there should be corporate policies now. I mean, I'm sure this has been done. I'm not the first person to do this. God, I hope I'm not the first person to have done this. But it's like, I'm sure this has happened a hundred times in a hundred other places where you're at dinner, you hear something and you hear something and you look it up. It's like, oh, no, the twins won. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And you look it up and you find it out because you used to Google it. Google didn't get as deep and now I can go deeper. Or it would have taken me to understand how to use Safari or any search function or Yahoo to get that deep. And now I ask some blindly crazy question, what does a store number mean? And it comes back with answers that are so much more detailed than I ever would have been able to do. And so that's what the piece for me was. This, I'm not the first person to have done this. And I wonder how fast corporate policies are changing because of this.
Paul Konrardy:
[32:39] Hope not.
Susan Evans:
[32:40] Or not. Yeah. But, yeah, that's a piece to me where it's like if you're β so when you guys travel, Jen, we'll need a full report of what's going on in the world unbeknownst to it.
Jenny Evans:
[32:56] I sit in the airport and I look for Saturday Night Live characters, you know, of like somebody doing weird stuff. And I'm like, that would make a great SNL character of like, now I've got more to do.
Susan Evans:
[33:09] I was doing Scrabble and I was kicking ass against the computer. So it's like my little iPad. That's all I was doing. Literally, I'm on the plane. I'm doing Scrabble. I had been doing Scrabble for like an hour and a half. And it was really, I mean, and thank God she came in and had a meeting. I mean, I was like, oh, God. It's like I was looking, my brain was like, just give me anything other than these 10 point words you're coming up with because you're going to lose.
Paul Konrardy:
[33:33] You know, espionage is entertainment.
Susan Evans:
[33:36] Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[33:38] OK, so we're going to we're going to post a guide. Things that people should think about, conversations they should be having if their company doesn't already have a policy. And just thinking about, yeah, being more aware of like next level. What are you saying and where? And now that information can be used in so many high impact ways in very short periods of time, like before you even realize what you've done way too late.
Susan Evans:
[34:14] No, it was.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:15] Well said.
Susan Evans:
[34:17] Everything you just said. And like I said, I'm still processing. Because it was so new. It was so on the edge.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:24] Are we going to have to talk about AI trauma now? Because you were traumatized by that.
Jenny Evans:
[34:29] Well, could you get Claude to counsel you?
Paul Konrardy:
[34:31] Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[34:32] Oh, yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[34:33] No.
Susan Evans:
[34:34] Yes. Claude will say, I can help. Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:37] When they start asking for a copay, forget it.
Susan Evans:
[34:40] Yeah, exactly. He'll say, I would like you to talk to my colleague Hal now.
Jenny Evans:
[34:48] Only people of a certain age are going to get that.
Susan Evans:
[34:50] Exactly. You can use Chatterclaw to look that up and get a full description. Oh, my God.
Paul Konrardy:
[35:00] Well, another one in the can. Yay.
Jenny Evans:
[35:03] All right. On that note, I hope you enjoyed our conversation, learned some things. What to do, what not to do.
Susan Evans:
[35:12] What not to do.
Jenny Evans:
[35:14] What not to do. And also, Susan's available for hire.
Susan Evans:
[35:22] Yes, if you have any LLM you'd like to use, so listen in to conversations, do reach out. Yes.
Susan Evans:
[35:31] I have the prompt.
Paul Konrardy:
[35:32] Exactly how to do it.
Susan Evans:
[35:32] I have the prompt.
Jenny Evans:
[35:34] All right. We'll see you guys next time.
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