Jenny Evans:
[0:15] Welcome back to Monsters of Curiosity. I'm Jenny Evans.
Jenny Evans:
[0:20] If you are watching today's episode, you're going to notice it looks a little bit different because we recorded this while we were in Indonesia. If you're just listening today, nothing's going to change. But the question that we chewed over is, what would you find out about yourself if you actually did the thing You keep talking about. Spoiler, talking about moving to Indonesia. So we ran a little experiment and had a conversation about what was happening. So let's get into it. The Segway that you didn't ask for, here they have those sprayers for the down under. And I will tell you, there is a lot of variety in water pressure because sometimes it is the power washer and other times it's more gentle and you never know what you're going to get. I think I've lost a third of my genitals the time that we've spent here, where you're like, yeah. We're just thinking, oh.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:30] That's so sensitive.
Susan Evans:
[1:31] Oh, my God.
Jenny Evans:
[1:33] You just never know what you're going to get.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:38] Well, from moving, I installed two bidet seats this past weekend, which does have a similar thing to think about with the water pressure. But not quite unknown. I mean, you kind of know, but it's still a surprise sometimes. But wow, the handheld ones must be like, ooh, do I want to power wash my dishes before I hand do this because I want to make sure it's okay? I mean, is this for China or is this for crockery? I don't know.
Jenny Evans:
[2:10] This is on crockpot setting.
Paul Konrardy:
[2:15] Burnt on setting.
Jenny Evans:
[2:19] Which really, like, the bathroom and the shower is the exact same room. So if I was smart, I could just, like, spray it in the area. But no, I'll just be like, well, let's just see what happens this time. Oh, that's good. I like living on the edge.
Paul Konrardy:
[2:36] Are you going to keep, like, a running journal? Yeah. Power washed cherub peeing out of a place.
Jenny Evans:
[2:44] Ten out of ten. Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[2:46] Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[2:48] Do the job and then some. Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, what other travel tips you got for us?
Jenny Evans:
[3:01] Travel tips. Tiffany, what weird things have happened where we're like, oh, that's a little note to self. I think I showed this already on the socials. There's only been one place where I was like, we're not staying here. Um you know so we use we use booking.com to find places to stay we've used it for years, and you know we're always we're definitely buying things on the budget end of the deal, but you know it's even like on zillow the photographer matters and like a lot of them are magicians and then you get there and you're like, i don't know and it's the same as like with real estate and you walk someplace and you're like, I think this is it. It just has a vibe. And then there's other places that you walk into and you're like, somebody was murdered here.
Susan Evans:
[3:58] Those, those gut reactions are usually true.
Jenny Evans:
[4:03] A hundred percent. And you know, there's a part of me that's like, Jenny, just get over it. It's, It's a bed. It's a shower. But, you know, when you when you're going to try to also like work in that space, having that prison cell vibe, just, you know, look at me. I'm looking over my you know, it's it's not conducive. The fact that the one place just did not have AC and it was a thousand degrees with eight thousand percent humidity. And I was just like, yeah, we can't do this for two days, like work here and sleep in this. Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[4:44] But otherwise, they
Paul Konrardy:
[4:44] Didn't even give you an orange jumpsuit. So, you know, then forget it.
Jenny Evans:
[4:49] Well, so in this instance, the description said each room has AC, the one that we were at. But then when you scroll down to actually book your room, which I didn't see, there was only one room that had AC. And so the guy, I was like, I was a broken record. I was not going to get no for an answer. I just kept showing him. It says right here, each room has AC. We want our money back. And the rupiah here, everything's in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Susan Evans:
[5:28] Yes.
Jenny Evans:
[5:29] So we left, and he gave us our money back. And Tiffany was like, well, how much would we have lost if he wasn't going to give us our money back? And I looked and I was like, $16. But I was fighting for my life because it was hundreds of thousands of rupiah.
Paul Konrardy:
[5:49] It's the principle of the thing. It's the principle.
Jenny Evans:
[5:52] Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[5:53] It's not.
Susan Evans:
[5:54] Yeah. It's like, be fair. You know, I totally get that. So if it's booking.com, do you have to talk to the person you booked with and not the company booking.com? Is that how that works?
Jenny Evans:
[6:05] Yeah. I mean, also the guy like on the spot, he gave us the cash back and like I booked us into another room. So, yeah, we really haven't had any big major travel issues, knock on wood, yet. like other times where we've had missed flights or weird miscommunications.
Jenny Evans:
[6:30] It's been pretty smooth so far, but we've kind of just made the mistake—we do this all the time—that, We originally were like, if we really want to know whether it's possible to really live and work, we should really spend time in a place. But there's so many different places to see and investigate. We've never spent more than two nights in any one place. Um so it's sort of been this blend of like, hurry up and explore because we have to like figure out could we, could we live here like look look everywhere look at everything, um then hurry up and work we've got to kind of like keep that going oh and we're kind of on vacation so hurry up and have fun and we keep switching between these three buckets um, constantly but.
Paul Konrardy:
[7:27] And you've got typhoid mary with you too so i mean what's your heart you gotta have some recovery time
Susan Evans:
[7:36] So what if you're looking for like that work-life balance thing is do you guys when you travel is like i know it when i see it or are you like doing reconnaissance right now i'm kind of triaging what is it has like 16,000 islands so there's no one has enough time but it's like do you say there are five places that we've narrowed down that we're going to start to rank or they'll none of them will make it on the list and we'll look for five more i mean is that how are you doing because this is this is a huge deal
Jenny Evans:
[8:10] Yeah we did some research ahead of time as far as, what we thought we might like and so the first two were in bali um Canggu and Ubud which.
Jenny Evans:
[8:29] They were immediate no's for me, but I was also checking myself like, Jenny, this is just a different environment. And that's our first reaction to just be like, oh, this is different, not good. And you start seeing all the reasons why this wouldn't work. I'm glad that we still kind of had to spend time there because a human can get used to anything. And right the more you're in that environment the more you kind of start it starts feeling like the norm.
Jenny Evans:
[9:05] But yeah so my first reaction to those two cities was like oh these are a no but i was like these are the first two that we've seen don't make a decision yet, um the third place that we went to in bali was sidemen it's in a more of like a remote valley i kind of knew this one was probably not going to be, a viable option from a work perspective. And, it's really not. And then we left Bali and did these two small islands, which I thought there's no way either one of these is going to be workable. It was one of those things of like, we're passing by, this place has really good snorkeling, we should just go check it out. But one of the islands, had that immediate yes factor where I was like, oh, this feels good. I could totally see us here. So it was an unexpected yes and two unexpected no's. We've still got one more place, one more island that we want to check out that might be a possibility. But, you know, It is one of those things of like real estate, a relationship, you have that first relationship.
Jenny Evans:
[10:33] And then you're like, okay, yes, that's a good piece of information, but we might need to explore a little bit further to see if things can change.
Susan Evans:
[10:44] And that's, so do you, are you looking for... Like to go same thing with real estate where can we live what's the wi-fi like if i need to get back is it 12 hours 24 hours i mean is our oldest checklist kind of things i'm asking for purely selfish reasons because when we do this it's like people say the same it's like you gotta stay there for a long time it's like no i gotta do reconnaissance first before i decide to stay somewhere a long time it's like you have to go say i'm gonna look at this because you want to not because i want you know it's that kind of thing then you go oh my god i love it too i mean So do you go through with a list of, there are six things that are non-negotiable and then 47 that we'll have conversations about?
Jenny Evans:
[11:29] Yeah. We have a couple of very important priorities that are in direct contrast to one another. So there is a very small needle that we're trying to thread in that we definitely need strong and reliable Wi-Fi. It would be nice to be close to a major airport so that when I need to do a keynote, I can get somewhere easily. But on the flip side of things is we don't like the big tourist destinations. We like being a little more off the beaten path. I mean, just for us personally, one of the reasons why we like to travel the way that we do is that it's very different from how to go to that home. And for us, like, that's the whole point. But I get for some other people, you're like, I also love to travel, but I also want my modern conveniences. The only modern convenience that we really want is Wi -Fi and electricity. Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[12:41] Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[12:44] And a non-skin damaging bidet.
Susan Evans:
[12:48] Yes.
Jenny Evans:
[12:48] Exactly. Yes.
Susan Evans:
[12:50] Yes.
Susan Evans:
[12:50] Coffee.
Susan Evans:
[12:52] It's like coffee. I'll go anywhere with coffee in one toilet. Beyond that, I'm fairly easy. So, yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[12:59] And what I didn't fully realize is that here in a lot of the areas, well, the more dense areas, it's not walkable. You know, and I'm one of these people of like, anything is walkable. You can practice your fitness literally anywhere. Like, that's just an excuse. A lot of these places, there are no sidewalks. And the roads are very narrow. And they're not designed for cars and bikes. Or not bikes. It's cars and scooters. Like, that is it. Being a pedestrian is not a thing in a lot of these places. Like, riding your bike, that's not a thing either. In the lifestyle that we have, like, walking where we need to go and biking where we need to go is... It might sound dumb, but, like, it's a high priority for us from an environmental perspective, from, like, a health and fitness perspective. So, I am, I mean, I'm still just kind of trying to withhold some of my immediate judgment because it's just different. It's just different.
Susan Evans:
[14:19] Right.
Paul Konrardy:
[14:20] Well, and you're also there during the incredibly hot, humid time. So that that's a big factor is it is it i mean
Jenny Evans:
[14:30] It's peak travel season right now so it is i mean the major tourist spots you guys are overrun, and i will i'm maybe going to get a little hate for this instagram has ruined chapel, everybody's trying to get that instagram shot for their feed you've got a million people trying to get this shot everybody's being oblivious to one another, we were on a beach yesterday like this pink sand beach which is really amazing, and we just sat and it was like watching monkeys in the zoo as everybody's like oh.
Paul Konrardy:
[15:18] That in itself is an entertainment.
Jenny Evans:
[15:21] They're spending their entire time, instead of enjoying what's there, getting their shots for social media.
Paul Konrardy:
[15:29] Aren't people funny?
Jenny Evans:
[15:31] Travel has really, really changed in the last handful of years. We used to never see that. And now people are specifically traveling to a destination, to get a photograph of themselves. Like, I don't know if you guys have seen this trend, like this swing that goes out over the rice field.
Susan Evans:
[15:53] Oh, yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[15:54] Literally, they will rent you the dress. Because I'm like, who packs a dress with an eight-foot-long train that you come, you pay? Like, you're going to get a photographer. You're going to get the swing. You're going to get—you're in this stunning police field. You're in nature, and it's all about, like, getting this shot and not caring who else is trying to walk past or it's.
Paul Konrardy:
[16:24] Well, I've got a question for that. What does the dress smell like after it's been rented 15 times by people in sweaty places?
Jenny Evans:
[16:32] And it is hot and sweaty. And I was like, and nothing. It looked like it was made out of, like, nylon. We're not talking about a breathable gauzy material here. We're talking about a sweat trap.
Paul Konrardy:
[16:44] Don't let typhoid Mary near that. She'll get something else.
Paul Konrardy:
[16:49] No.
Susan Evans:
[16:50] That, I, you, that, that is one thing that we have started to do when we're somewhere. It's like, if you're going to take the shot, take the shot, know exactly what you're doing it for, and then put the phone away. Cause what we will have, you have 15 minutes on Instagram. Okay. That's me personally. I give myself 15 minutes a day. I'm done. It's like, I cannot, I cannot go down this rabbit hole. Cause I am missing life. It's like television. It doesn't remember what it was like, you know, you can't watch television more than X amount of time. And it's just like, everywhere I go, I see people doing that very thing. And I have heard from friends who live in other places around the world, that in peak tourist time, it's always so effing hot. So nobody's in the best mood. That is like tempers get a little high trying to get the shot and you forget. You're in a spot that should be revered and put your damn phone away kind of thing.
Paul Konrardy:
[17:45] Well, this is a curious thought. Do you think everybody's doing that because they know they're going to get dementia and they're going to forget? So they want a picture to prove it.
Susan Evans:
[17:53] I've been here. I've done this. Yeah, exactly. Cause it's, I don't know.
Paul Konrardy:
[17:58] A little curious notion there, you know?
Susan Evans:
[18:00] Yeah, no, I, I,
Paul Konrardy:
[18:02] It's a very curious thing that, that people have lost their sense of time to live in that moment and to enjoy what, that moment gives them and it sounds though in some ways to me jen you you guys are actually taking that phenomenon of crazy and turning it into a little entertainment a little sport like oh look at that one oh look at that one oh my god i mean i think that sounds entertaining in itself so
Jenny Evans:
[18:29] And the outfits
Paul Konrardy:
[18:31] It's a bad thing unless you turn it into a fun thing
Jenny Evans:
[18:32] Yeah the outfits that they're traveling in like yesterday we went to Komodo Island, you know so like you're kind of like walking out into the bush and the brush and you've got women in these giant dresses and their hats and, then we were on a boat and I watched one woman for like 20 minutes on the boat like you know and then she's putting on her eye mask just putting on her lipstick and I'm like I'm trying not to, be judgy and like noticing like jenny that's just really fucking judgmental but i can't just help but notice, these um two big differences that we've been seeing in the time that we've been traveling is, traveling before everybody had phones or cell phones i remember the first time we went to India, nobody had a phone.
Jenny Evans:
[19:36] Then the second time that we went to India, then we just started noticing a lot of, like, not everybody, but a lot. And that you would see, you know, walking down the street instead of shopkeepers or people actually talking to each other. You know, they would just be sitting in their little shop doing this. And this time, this trip, I noticed it was night and we were in a car. And it was all these little shops and there's people walking by and everybody was, was sitting alone in their shot with this blue light. And I was like, wow, like, we're all here.
Jenny Evans:
[20:22] We're all together.
Jenny Evans:
[20:25] But everybody is alone on this thing. And yet feeling like it's your sense of connection to this bigger, broader world. But the bigger, broader world, it might not be bigger or broader, but it's right ther e. Of like so having more people be on their phones and now people making sure that they get the the shot for their social media feed, wow you guys big big difference.
Susan Evans:
[20:55] Yeah
Paul Konrardy:
[20:57] Well there has been documented proof that the birth rate in the United States has gone down since you probably saw that article
Jenny Evans:
[21:05] I just saw that.
Paul Konrardy:
[21:07] Yeah and it was particularly iPhones but I think that was because they had more quantitative data about how fascinating is that and I think that phenomena is real in so many different ways but man now they have documented proof
Paul Konrardy:
[21:27] Thanks Steve! Thanks Steve!
Jenny Evans:
[21:30] When Bella was like middle school early high school i'm like i know that girl's not getting pregnant because she's never spending time with anybody of the opposite sex i'm like, it was clear to me then these kids are not they're not getting physical because they're never in physical actual physical proximity of one another.
Susan Evans:
[21:53] Yes
Paul Konrardy:
[21:56] Who knew that was the byproduct of a mother's concern? Yes, you can have a phone.
Susan Evans:
[22:05] Yes, exactly.
Paul Konrardy:
[22:09] I suppose you could have put a little pocket in the back for the condom, but still, it's like, you don't need that. Here you go.
Susan Evans:
[22:18] That's exactly it. There is, I put this in chat. There is what is happening. And I think of this every single, almost, I would say, I probably think of this once a week. Um, Star Trek, the next generation. It was in 1991. There was some, there was an episode called, I think it's, this is the right one called the game season five, episode six. It says, this is what, uh, Google AI is telling me when I said, what the hell was this? Um, um, One of the, Commander Riker comes back from a vacation and everybody has these glasses on and they're playing like a video game, but it's a mind control thing. And pretty soon all the crew can't get out of this thing. And I think of that all the time because there was like this euphoric kind of, oh, that's almost like gambling. And that's what the algorithms are. I was like, oh, I keep seeing, oh, the little baby hippo. Oh, there's this. And, you know, 45 minutes later, which is why I have a 15-minute timer like a child. I literally put the child lock on my phone because I would be what we used to call wasting time watching House Hunters International, HGTB. Now it began to happen on Instagram.
Paul Konrardy:
[23:33] That's game theory.
Jenny Evans:
[23:35] Did you guys read Infinite Jest? Um okay hard read because the book is literally like this thick there's very little punctuation in it it kind of goes all over the joint, but he describes um there is this um movie, that once people see it, they can't leave. Like, they're literally so addicted that they will just sit there and they will not eat and they will not sleep. And they're just, like, so addicted to this thing. I don't remember what year Infinite Jest was written. But I keep thinking about, like... And, you know, of course, the book, like, This movie is a metaphor for so many different things, but it makes me think about this infinite jest all the time.
Susan Evans:
[24:40] Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, when you say that, it's just like, there's so many other things you could be doing that instead of looking at this. Because when you said, when you were in that car driving by and you saw all the shopkeepers on their phone, I'm like, you are just leaving money on the table by not interacting with other human beings. I mean, business alone, you're losing money. But just being a human being, too, it's just like, yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[25:10] That is such a great visual, though, Jen. That's like cinematic, that observation of what you went by.
Jenny Evans:
[25:18] There's discrete cubes. Everybody's in their cube with a blue glow, not interacting. Yeah, it was, yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[25:29] Some filmmakers got to do that and use it because it's such a, that's powerful. Yeah. That's powerful. But that dopamine thing that you were talking about earlier from the game episode they actually mentioned that whole dopamine thing is that that's the part of game theory that you are making people get to a level in which they get that rush and then you have to make it just a little bit harder so they can get that rush again and that's the addictive quality of a lot of a lot of screen behaviors and you know i dipped in that once and i don't really like thinking about that but That is what happens to us. That's why the feed of an algorithm is so... You have a lot of discipline, Susan, to say 15 minutes, and you're done a lot. A lot of people don't.
Susan Evans:
[26:17] That was because my screen time was some weekend with like four hours on TikTok and Instagram. And I was like, I used to hate House Hunters because we would get home at night and sit from 7 to 11 and watch House Hunters International, some of which we had seen before, yet judged. And you're just like,
Susan Evans:
[26:39] What?
Susan Evans:
[26:40] Let's go
Paul Konrardy:
[26:41] Well personally i think that is the universe telling me right now because i cannot find the cables for my tv that i shouldn't be watching tv i should be doing other things so i'm taking that as a okay universe hide them as long as i can't find them then i will be doing other things so there you go one of them is having this wonderful conversation with you two so
Jenny Evans:
[27:01] that's even better
Jenny Evans:
[27:03] You know what that reminds me of though Paul too is, just how much our environment unconsciously influences our behaviors and that.
Jenny Evans:
[27:17] You know we're
Jenny Evans:
[27:18] Unconsciously triggered by certain things that we see it always fascinates me, when I move and I'm in a brand new environment it kind of makes me think of like, this is an opportunity so paul the fact that like you can't find the tv cables, what if you actually didn't you know like this is a brand new environment, This could be a new opportunity to create an environment that's more conducive. You know, like Susan figured out, like, I have to put the timer on my phone.
Paul Konrardy:
[27:56] Yep, exactly.
Jenny Evans:
[27:58] What if we actually just don't do a TV in this space?
Paul Konrardy:
[28:02] Exactly. I think you've done that, haven't you? I don't think you even have a TV.
Jenny Evans:
[28:07] We don't. And so when we were renting out our house.
Jenny Evans:
[28:12] People were like,
Jenny Evans:
[28:13] Do you have a TV? And we were like, no. and they're like, sorry, moving on. That's a deal breaker for us. But I'm like, really? Because if you really wanted to, you could just watch on your laptop.
Paul Konrardy:
[28:24] Exactly.
Susan Evans:
[28:26] You can stream it all. Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[28:29] It's not impossible to use another device. Yeah. But yeah. Anyway. It's fascinating though, that the moving thing you're talking about, it's oddly conducive to what you were talking about earlier about where you're relocating. It's like this place we're looking at, okay, I want some things that I've wanted for a very long time because of general health concerns that I have with, say, water supply and that kind of thing. So, you know, immediately put in the whole house water filter. Never had one before. So excited about it. You know, immediately put in the uber's osmosis so we can have very healthy water to drink with, cook with, do our pets with. That sounded weird, but you know what I mean? Feed the cats.
Susan Evans:
[29:14] Right, right.
Paul Konrardy:
[29:16] Give them good water all the time.
Jenny Evans:
[29:17] That's me, that artisanal water, Paul.
Susan Evans:
[29:19] Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[29:22] Well, I'm just thinking there have been various opportunities to do lifestyle change. That is a decision and a goal that has been underlying a long time. And I kind of think that I'm getting a body nudge to say, no, you don't need to necessarily do this or you don't need to necessarily do that. There's no room for that. So you have to do this instead.
Jenny Evans:
[29:44] Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[29:47] So I'll just take it as a message and run with it. I'll report back to see if we ever find them. Might just be a screen hanging there for no reason.
Susan Evans:
[29:57] Well, and if you do find it, you could choose not to install it, but maybe, because you can take... I think it's Prime, says, do you want to put this on a local TV or push this out to other screens that are connected? So you don't even need cables attached to it other than probably a Prime cable or something like that.
Paul Konrardy:
[30:21] Oh, yeah.
Susan Evans:
[30:22] So you don't need the TV.
Paul Konrardy:
[30:23] There's a bunch of ways to do that if you wanted to see anything.
Jenny Evans:
[30:26] Yeah, Susan, stop giving Paul workarounds.
Paul Konrardy:
[30:30] Yeah, I don't need the workaround. I know those already. Thank you. I've been already working around. But I'm trying to think of, okay, well, what if we turn that into a piece of art instead? You know, because you can
Paul Konrardy:
[30:42] Put up things
Paul Konrardy:
[30:43] All the time and rotate.
Jenny Evans:
[30:44] Or you have like your photos. Photos.
Susan Evans:
[30:46] Yes.
Susan Evans:
[30:47] Oh, my God. Please do that.
Paul Konrardy:
[30:49] Speaking of photos, that's a great segue. You guys have some amazing images you're taking on your travels. Is there anything in that vein that, you know, isn't a selfie necessarily, but is something that you'd like to share?
Paul Konrardy:
[31:07] What catches the eye? That one in the rice field, we should include it somehow in the show notes or something. But there's one of a worker in the rice field that's just like, wow, that is so awesome. Just took me right there.
Jenny Evans:
[31:22] Tiffany brought her her nice camera which it's kind of a pain in the butt to haul around but, it's still not an iPhone camera.
Paul Konrardy:
[31:36] It's a nice piece of glass as they used to say
Jenny Evans:
[31:40] You call it your spy lens yeah I don't know like a zoom lens that she can get, shots where she's not all up in, these business. But I don't know. I mean, I still think we... A lot of the times, sort of kick ourselves of like, ah, we never took any photos of that. But it's just because we were actually just in the moment. We used to, Tiffany used to have this little, goal for herself, that there would be like, the shot of the vacation that we would print, and it would go on the wall at home so like every trip had the shot um, which kept tiffany taking a lot of great photos but also i think put a little too much pressure on herself because you know i have to get that shot um, but a lot of i mean i noticed like a lot of our photos are the place it's not us in the place it's not me right.
Jenny Evans:
[32:53] Right on the beach
Paul Konrardy:
[32:54] I appreciate that i appreciate that i mean i mean it's great to have pictures of yourself and of you experiencing something but i think you you guys have these amazing eyes to really see uniqueness and see something that you don't really necessarily experience all the time so that's what i love about your photography
Jenny Evans:
[33:14] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[33:15] Or I think some of my favorite photos are just like the funny, weird things that you might happen upon. I mean, Susan, I think you talked about like spotting the three nuns everywhere you go.
Susan Evans:
[33:29] Yes.
Susan Evans:
[33:30] Yes. That's one of the things we try and do. Yes. Traveling together.
Paul Konrardy:
[33:33] Do you guys have a video card?
Jenny Evans:
[33:36] We do not, but we've talked about that. I like when I'm in the airport of like, okay, next person that spots somebody with a fanny pack or Crocs. Yeah. Although, wow, Crocs are super popular on an international level. Just FYI, everybody.
Paul Konrardy:
[33:53] Really?
Jenny Evans:
[33:53] Oh, my God. Everybody's in Crocs, but fancy Crocs. I was like, I didn't realize these were such a thing.
Susan Evans:
[34:00] Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[34:02] Crocs.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:02] They have heels?
Jenny Evans:
[34:03] Yeah. Platform Crocs, heel Crocs.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:06] Really?
Jenny Evans:
[34:07] crocs with jewels. yeah lego crocs i mean they're.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:11] Ouch yeah i step on a lego and i cry
Susan Evans:
[34:14] Yeah no crocs has licensed a bunch of shit
Susan Evans:
[34:19] There....
Jenny Evans:
[34:21] Says the marketing guy i'm already thinking of like oh that that's a great marketing campaign of like the lego crocs and there's a lot there that's rich.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:30] Yeah i'm like ow
Jenny Evans:
[34:32] Yeah
Susan Evans:
[34:34] Not on a croc if you're wearing a croc you can step on all the Legos you want.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:39] I suppose so.
Jenny Evans:
[34:41] I suppose so. Tiffany, is there anything other remarkable or something that stopped us in our tracks?
Jenny Evans:
[34:54] I'm sure I'll think of like 10 things later.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:57] Oh, yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[34:57] Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[34:59] Well, you know. I loved the monkey on your shoulder. That peed on your shoulder.
Jenny Evans:
[35:05] No, he bit.
Susan Evans:
[35:07] Oh, my God. I just thought, because I thought you said it peed on you.
Jenny Evans:
[35:10] No.
Jenny Evans:
[35:11] It bit you.
Susan Evans:
[35:12] It bit you?
Jenny Evans:
[35:14] Yeah. So we go to this monkey forest. And, of course, like there's all this signage. Do not touch the monkeys. Do not feed the monkeys. Do not make direct eye contact with the monkeys. And I just literally thought like you would move through, you would see them in the distance, cute, whatever. I think two things were drawing the monkeys to me. I have a bright yellow backpack. And then I had a couple of necklaces on and dangly jewelry.
Jenny Evans:
[35:47] And also, like, most people were just, like, walking through. We love to just, like, sit down and just watch. Because you can start seeing, like, the social dynamics, who's aggressive, who's greedy.
Jenny Evans:
[36:01] So I think just the fact that I was just sitting and not moving, I was just literally not moving, just taking it all in, backpack the jewelry. So one of them jumped in my lap and just was, like, eating a snack. And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, OK. And then another one came and like they'll try to get stuff out of your backpack i thought i had everything out of the pockets but there was like a piece of paper, in there so then one jumped up on my shoulder and started grooming me and then the other one was like oh good idea and literally i said this in the video i've never felt more special or chosen because grooming yes that's a social bonding behavior. It is. Yes. But the one that bit me, he had numbers marked on his chest, which makes me think he was a naughty monkey that they need to keep track of. Like Tiffany stopped and put down her backpack to change lenses. And this monkey like came out of nowhere because he's like, opportunity, there's an open backpack. So I was kind of trying to distract it. And right away, it just fucking just pulled itself right up on top of me and, you know, was like really kind of aggressive with things, you know, and I'm kind of like, hey, and it's like touching my earring and then it's like pulling really hard. And I'm like, no, stop. You know, but I also don't want to be too aggressive because it's, you know, things can escalate...
Susan Evans:
[37:26] And then it's a fight.
Jenny Evans:
[37:28] Yeah. But then for some reason, he's like pulling on my shirt. Then he puts his mouth down and he just goes.
Jenny Evans:
[37:34] Chomp.
Jenny Evans:
[37:35] And I was like, OK, too far. And Tiffany's like, start walking, start walking. So I started walking and it jumped down and I pulled my thing and I'm like, if this broke the skin.
Jenny Evans:
[37:46] Like, we're in trouble.
Susan Evans:
[37:48] Jesus. Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[37:49] Luckily, it did not. I mean, it hurt like a mother. But I don't know. I was like, what was that all about?
Paul Konrardy:
[37:58] Do you think the numbers were from his mug?
Paul Konrardy:
[38:01] Well, do you think the numbers are from his mugshot or something? I mean.
Paul Konrardy:
[38:07] That's naughty
Paul Konrardy:
[38:08] Monkey i mean did
Susan Evans:
[38:10] You see the license plate of the car that hit you it's the same thing you see the number of the monkey that bit you i mean come on
Jenny Evans:
[38:17] Well yeah because they're keeping track of how many people he's bitten and whether they need to update his rabies shot or not.
Paul Konrardy:
[38:24] It wasn't like chicken scratch was it
Jenny Evans:
[38:28] Yeah the hash marks well then we were um, there was a puddle and there were these little like young monkeys like swimming in this puddle and they're they're wrestling around and you're like oh my god it's so cute so cute and then their wrestling gets aggressive, and they start running and they're chasing each other and then they literally decide to spiral up my legs and like up me and they're wet oh my god and my first reaction of like of course i love these monkeys, i don't want to get dirty so i just start yelling like.
Jenny Evans:
[39:03] No, no, no, no, no, no, all right.
Jenny Evans:
[39:08] Tiffany's like start walking and so i walk and they like scatter off but i'm like i'm dripping mud.
Paul Konrardy:
[39:15] Is tiff's advice always to walk it off i mean if it hurts walk it off if a monkey's attacking you walk it off i mean i i kind of like that walk it
Paul Konrardy:
[39:23] Off
Jenny Evans:
[39:24] The former soccer player well actually on the sign it did say um if if a monkey's, on you just don't freak out just start walking well of course like that never entered my mind you know so tiffany was like start walking start walking.
Paul Konrardy:
[39:44] I like it i like it i like it do monkeys smell like wet dogs wet monkeys smell like wet dogs
Jenny Evans:
[39:50] No. I never got an odor of anything.
Paul Konrardy:
[39:56] That's pretty cool.
Susan Evans:
[39:57] Oh, they're very clean. There's a lot of grooming.
Paul Konrardy:
[39:58] There's a lot of grooming.
Jenny Evans:
[40:00] There's a lot of grooming. Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[40:05] Yes. Oh, my God.
Paul Konrardy:
[40:05] The view, which, I don't know, that's really special.
Susan Evans:
[40:09] Is your shoulder okay?
Jenny Evans:
[40:11] Yeah. Yeah.
Susan Evans:
[40:13] Okay.
Jenny Evans:
[40:16] Yeah. I don't know. I think another, well, like two other things I've really noticed. In human beings, we are funny. Like we travel because we want to see something different and we want to experience something different. And yet, like, Canggu and Ubud, tons of Starbucks, tons of coffee shops, tons of shops, tons of workspaces of, like, And I think you stereotypically hear of like, oh, travel to Bali to have some sort of like magical, spiritual experience. I'm sure at some point that was the case. But as more humans come, more humans want to leave, but they don't want to leave their comforts or sense of security or be too inconvenienced. And I don't know. It's interesting. We don't make sense. We don't make sense as human beings. We want to be somewhere else, but we want it to be the same.
Susan Evans:
[41:32] Mm-hmm.
Jenny Evans:
[41:34] And then the other thing that I noticed was, you know, before we got here, we had spent, you know, close to a year kind of like trying to figure this out and overcoming all of the objections that come into your brain about why this wouldn't work. And the fear and the doubt and narrow thinking of like, well, it either has to be this way or it has to be that way when it could be a billion different ways. And like just overcoming those things enough to get here. And then now there's a whole new set of things where you're like, well, that wouldn't work because of this. Well, I don't know. And you're like, well, that's just fear speaking. That is just so much of our brain's evolutionary hard wiring that, you have to try to be aware that it's even happening in the first place. Yep.
Jenny Evans:
[42:47] Giving yourself an opportunity to just say, okay, hang on a second. Do I just need a little bit more time with this before I make a judgment or I make a decision? I don't know. I just, I don't know that that ever leaves you, even if you are somebody who is brave or adventurous. Um you know it's it's always there whether it's in the small things where you're like, you know maybe i want to leave this relationship or i might want to start this relationship there's all the reasons why it's not a good idea or you know the fear of the unknown of like, it's always there um so noticing it and just giving yourself the time and opportunity to just Just keep poking at it, keep pulling at it, and it's possible that you'll, you know, make a decision or kind of start moving in one direction versus another.
Paul Konrardy:
[43:51] Isn't that the beauty of travel though? I mean, travel allows you to have those experiences and then face those concerns on a regular basis. And I think that's one of the reasons why there's so much of that, um, comfort stuff that people find, but it unfortunately has, what's the word um when when dang it's like homogenization but it's not the word um it's like it just turns it flat because it doesn't have the uniqueness even though they may have a different kind of burger at mcdonald's in that country but um it's just not the same as the real authentic experience that it sounds like you're trying to have um and i think that that's part of what the travel experience is about though i think that's that's there's always curiosity about things sorry i had to bring it back that's a show plug but um there's always curiosity about what's around the bend and some people are really good at managing that because it's a certain level of ambiguity and other people can't they don't they can't deal with that but um It's fascinating. I love that you're traveling. I love that. It's the best thing in the whole wide world in my book. I did it for years.
Jenny Evans:
[45:20] Well, when you talk about the part of you that wants to know what's around the bend, and then there's the part that's about safety and preservation, Tiffany and I were kind of laughing about this because, the two of us are a little bit of that yin-yang where I'm like, let's do this thing. And Tiffany is sort of like the safety person where, and it's kind of a good blend where I'm kind of like going this way and Tiffany's kind of, you know, or, and there's times where like both of us, like it's completely paid off that she's been the one that was like very concerned about safety. And there's times where it's paid off where I'm like, screw it, let's just kind of go do that thing. And we are very lucky because that's, this would be an interesting, people writing in about stories of like, do you travel well with your significant other or a friend or just like stories of traveling with other people? And how things can go so wrong or be so amazing. We're both in the same day.
Susan Evans:
[46:42] Right.
Paul Konrardy:
[46:43] Oh, mostly it's both in the same day, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, that's been my experience. But yeah, I love that idea, Jen. I love that idea.
Jenny Evans:
[46:53] You guys, when you're traveling with significant others, do you guys travel well together? Yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[47:03] Well, Peter and I used to travel together. We would work together and travel together in the airline industry. And yeah, we'd get along really well. And when we would have time for personal stuff, it's like, yeah, it works out really well. We do have that dynamic, though, of he's more adventurous than I am, but I'm also more trying to stay aware of situational awareness and what's around us. And maybe we should pull back from that. But most of the time, he'll lead somewhere that I never would have thought of going, like making the mistake of trying to open the doors on Notre Dame Cathedral to get in. I mean, and having the nuns, there were more than three that came out and yelled at us. There's those types of things I would never do, but I wouldn't have a great story as a result. So, you know, there's those, that yin and yang thing that you're talking about, Jen. But yeah, overall, we talk very, very well together.
Susan Evans:
[48:00] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[48:01] Susan?
Susan Evans:
[48:02] Eric and I do too. Yeah. We do too. We both go. Let's go do this. I'm the one. We just came back from a place where they have diamondback rattlers, which are very poisonous if you get bit. And you're on a place you can only get to by boat, which means by the time they find you seven miles away and take you back to the boat and then get you back to land, you're probably dead. So i put in the top of my favorites on the phone the number to the general manager it's like we've been bit get here now rather than on the website looking for the main number you
Paul Konrardy:
[48:44] Had the prepared one oh my
Paul Konrardy:
[48:45] God
Susan Evans:
[48:46] yeah so we knew we were we we both kind of jump off a cliff but i'm i i'm more than one who goes i do have a parachute for two here so it's like because i'll jump with you but it's safety first so we always go lucky let's go after the rattlesnake safety first yeah so that's so yeah but we travel really well together um mainly because we play we go here we're going to do this here here it's just he knows i need a timeline of about noon we're going to do this about three we're going to do that about six this is going to happen it's like great I don't care what happens in there. And we have discovered the rule of you can plan two things in a day and no more, or maybe one, depending on what it is, which leaves you time for exploration and surprise because we have tried to do, let's do 12 things today. And it's just like, no, gotta go here. Gotta go here. It's like, now no one's happy. And we also know we have to be fed or it's a nightmare. No one can make a decision when you're starving to death, but you can have a fight when you're starving to death.
Susan Evans:
[49:52] It's really interesting where the energy goes.
Jenny Evans:
[49:55] Oh my God, 100%.
Susan Evans:
[49:57] So yeah, those are the rules that we've like eat and then go. So yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[50:06] You know what's funny is, Paul, when you kind of talk about things make a great story, it's not always in the moment where you're like, oh, this is good. But the weird, unexpected, sometimes not fun things in the moment are the things that are most memorable about, a trip that just make great stories later on, which I also think is a metaphor for life in general. You know, something shitty happens, well, it's going to make a great story, you know? At least I'm going to get a great story out of this.
Susan Evans:
[50:44] Yep.
Susan Evans:
[50:47] And I think that's, it's interesting with travel and just life in general. And it's like when we talk about where we're going to move, what are we going to rent, what's going to happen? It's just like, you know what? Sit back. It's going to work out. Because I've tried to. Because I operated from fear in these transitions that we've had. Like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. And I finally went, you know what? It's going to work out. Let's think of the positive things first. We're going to learn this. This will be fun. Never had that. And now tell me what's not going to work. Instead of it's not going to work how do we make it better it's like it's going to be great what are things we should think about first because it lightens it so much rather than no no no it's always it's more yes this will work this will we will find what we want it may not be what we thought it was going to be but we're going to find enough to make us happy and i haven't i've been really going you know what bad shit happens it might cost a little bit it might not cost a little bit this might happen this may be the perfect thing you know but it's just
Paul Konrardy:
[51:52] It may have a monkey bite you
Susan Evans:
[51:54] You may have a monkey bite you but it won't break the skin so
Jenny Evans:
[51:59] exactly
Jenny Evans:
[51:59] Exactly
Paul Konrardy:
[52:00] and you'll get a great story out of it
Jenny Evans:
[52:02] And great photos and great video.
Susan Evans:
[52:05] Exactly exactly
Jenny Evans:
[52:07] Susan, you brought up something and i i just had a call with a coaching client right before this of and she's like navigating a big life transition like, you will figure this out because you've been and this is for everybody you've been figuring it out your whole entire life yeah what would you suddenly stop, figuring things out you figure it out it's what you've always done.
Susan Evans:
[52:39] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[52:39] But for some reason we.
Susan Evans:
[52:43] You go negative, especially when you're in a new experience. I always think it's like, oh, no, oh, no, oh, no, because it's not part of you yet. When it's part of you, you can go, yeah, I got this. It's happened before. And people, I think, forget it's happened before. The geography was just different. So there might be three things to change instead of two. It's like you'll figure it out. We're all smart enough to figure it out. Most of us, let me qualify that. Most of us are smart enough to figure that out. But it's like in your life, you seldom find yourself in a position where you're like, I got nothing. And those things are like, you know, I lived through a tornado.
Paul Konrardy:
[53:23] The voice of Sneaky Pete, isn't it? I mean, Sneaky Pete is just, we're stuck with that voice. And sometimes you really have to beat the living shit out of little Sneaky Pete. But I guess that's a little more violent than it needs to be. But it is more of a, well, remembering that you figured it out before, obviously comes with a little bit of age and wisdom. and having an experience, but at the same time, it's easy to forget. And I think that's the role of sneaky, that sneaky guy, and what we do ourselves. So, you know, that's where I'm going to just bring it back to travel. If you're afraid of travel, you are really limiting yourselves to a lot of things that you could experience because you've dealt with mostly everything that you've dealt with travel, just the different location. And you'll figure it out. You will figure it out. You have to be more prepared in some ways, But I'm so pleased to hear these travel stories because they energize me. I think that's great.
Susan Evans:
[54:26] Yeah. I would say I don't know if we can be more prepared at this age of life. It's more like I'm going to go back into my history and pull the answer forward for this. Because honestly, it's like there's enough we can go. It might not be the same experience, but it's close enough with this one and this one. I'm going to do a mashup. Find the answer.
Paul Konrardy:
[54:47] Those are life experiences all over the place because that's what i mean because this movie and i just moved household how many times have i moved household i moved so many times and i'm like every time i think i know what i'm doing and it's like yeah you kind of know but you don't and then suddenly things are different but then you go yeah okay i can't find that that doesn't mean i need to go buy one i'll just live a different way until i find it yeah like tables for a tv but um it's it's just, Every single time it's going to be disruptive and it's how much you're going to get upset about the fact that it's disruptive. That's the piece of it. And I think that's, you know, going through life too. Sorry to try to make this a big old metaphor, but, you know, when you travel, you run into that again and again and again and again. And still the consistency of human nature, you know, you're fighting over your 16 bucks. It is there. you still there's a principle of right and wrong that is there regardless of the culture regardless of the situation it's like your beliefs and so um i you know that doesn't change that just doesn't change
Jenny Evans:
[56:00] Yeah well i think that's such an important point that both of you have made is that, While the details of a scenario might be different, the themes you've probably dealt with before. So you have the tools.
Susan Evans:
[56:19] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[56:20] You know, like a hammer can be used for so many different things, but you have the hammer. We all have the hammer. Yeah. The screwdriver of like, yeah, you have what it takes. And yes, maybe you've never done this very specific thing before, but you've done the genre. There's been an unknown. There's been an obstacle. There's fear. Like, I like something I, one of the socials, like, you have 100% or like on your very worst days, remember you have 100% track record of getting through, everything that life has. You're batting 1,000.
Susan Evans:
[56:59] Yes, literally. Literally. Yes.
Paul Konrardy:
[57:03] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So much judgment that we put on it.
Susan Evans:
[57:09] You guys have moved before. You've picked up from one place to go to another place. Well, both of you have. It's like, we've just gone, we're going to move from this neighborhood to this neighborhood. But I mean, you guys have said, we're going to leave this city, leave this country, leave this and go do it somewhere else. And so you've done it before. So it's very doable. I'm fascinated to find out what you guys will decide when it's like, I've done this before. And you have a sense of what you're looking for and when you'll know it, when you find it. And that is like the coolest. That's, that's like that expectation of, I'm going to find the present I'm looking for. It's like, that's, that's the cool thing. That's, that's, that's what's really, I'm excited about that.
Paul Konrardy:
[57:50] I'm cool. I think it's cool. You have a short list and you've gone through the short list and some of them were surprisingly were absolutely not. And others were like, yeah, here's home. Yeah. I think it's cool as hell. I'm excited to hear how that unfolds.
Susan Evans:
[58:05] Yeah.
Jenny Evans:
[58:07] You know, it's interesting is like, and it's also never been easier, I think, to do research, whether, you know, just using the regular Internet or using an LLM. Um, yeah, it's just, it's never been easier to find information to help you make a decision or to overcome some of the perceived obstacles that you think you might have. I mean, information is power. Information is confidence. Sometimes you don't have the best information. Oh, okay. I got a bone to pick with Claude. Claude has been great it helped me plan this entire like figuring out timelines of like oh i love you, claude has fucked me over twice on a simple time zone conversion, yep time zone conversion where i'm like and now i'm like claude are you sure, oh you're right i have miscalculated and i'm like.
Paul Konrardy:
[59:14] Yeah, you would think that would be easy, don't you?
Jenny Evans:
[59:16] Help me understand what is happening here.
Susan Evans:
[59:20] There is an app. It's a construct. I've had that same thing with Claude. Paul heard me. We were talking this morning, and I said, look what Claude did. Is this a piece of crap or what? And I said, now here's what Chad did. I'm like, oh, Chad's my favorite intern today because Claude was a huge failure. I have had the same time.
Paul Konrardy:
[59:40] This is hating on Claude day. I don't know what happened.
Susan Evans:
[59:44] Well yesterday too um there's an app called world world clock i would get it it's like 10 bucks a year and you can put in i will show this to you you can see i can see where everybody is yeah there's uh london and lisbon trish's in florence deb is in finland and so i can put every and i can't put the city because that means nothing to me but i have put the name in the city i'm like okay I know people who live there Bella lives there with Jen and Tiff okay got it and I have Denver well Paul's not on there because on my Google calendar it's me and then Paul's time zone so it's on my Google calendar because I goofed it up so much But get world clock because it has a calculator at the bottom. You can say, here's where I am. Where are they? And it is amazing.
Jenny Evans:
[1:00:36] Yeah. But see, the problem that's running into is that I'm trying to give clients, windows of time where I'm available, but it's also a different day here. So that's what makes it possible. where i was like i get my brain's gonna explode um yeah i've figured out of just a straight-up internet search gives you the right answer.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:01:04] yeah you almost have to road clock is really helpful though because uh i i had a desktop version of that that really helped me when i was doing a lot of dev with a Pakistani group so oh there it is right there
Susan Evans:
[1:01:17] I had you guys on here before you guys are bali at the bottom because you're the only people i know in Bali so
Paul Konrardy:
[1:01:24] There but it's helpful do you have do you have it on you can put it on your laptop that'd be really helpful to you yeah okay but you write an internet search we'll do the same thing it really truly will so give me the thing is though when you're putting in your query you got to say day date and time with where you're at it's not like what time is it in new finland oh it's the same day no problem but you know where you are it's like oh yeah that's tomorrow at blank that's the first thing i asked tiff is it really early or really late there i can't remember
Paul Konrardy:
[1:01:57] What is it...it's
Paul Konrardy:
[1:01:58] Really early in the morning isn't it
Jenny Evans:
[1:02:00] Yeah and it's tuesday.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:02:02] Yeah hey it's prime day for you 23rd you can start shopping if you want it
Jenny Evans:
[1:02:10] Tiffany, we're changing plans for the day. We're not.
Susan Evans:
[1:02:13] We're going to shop.
Susan Evans:
[1:02:15] We're going to see if that same day delivery works. Mr. Bezos.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:02:21] Wow, is that a horrible thought for you?
Jenny Evans:
[1:02:24] Oh, hey, one more thing that I've enjoyed and that I have enjoyed in the past about travel, well, at least the way we travel, where we call it travel and dirty. It's just like we're not traveling luxuriously. Which just makes you so appreciate, the small little luxuries of, I had an orange the other day. It was orgasmic. Because you hadn't had access to fresh fruit for a while of just like, having an orange or finding a cup of coffee or a hot shower, you know, just these things that we so often take for granted or multitasking. You're like, I'm terrible. I always eat lunch while I'm reading the news. I'm not really enjoying, you know, so like not having access to things. And then when you get a little bit of it, it just improves your, for me, at least my sense of appreciation of some of the or a cold beer yeah.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:03:34] I love that
Paul Konrardy:
[1:03:35] I love that
Paul Konrardy:
[1:03:38] That's the byproduct of travel yeah you don't always have what you had available all the time
Jenny Evans:
[1:03:43] Or clean underwear well that's a luxury too yes.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:03:48] Four days come on
Susan Evans:
[1:03:50] No that's it's bring three pair it's like three or four pair wash one wash one it's like so you always have three clean there's like a rule to this that i have it on notes when i travel it's like here's what you have to bring two different locations two different things it's like this is three this is two this is one this is this depending how long you're gone because i don't expect to have the only thing i ever ask for is like a a toilet and coffee not at the same point and preferably not in the same room but it's like those are the two things i'm always like i just need coffee in the morning and that's And if I need to bring, I have a friend who travels with her own little coffee thing and a little baby French press. And she's like, this is what I bring. I don't have to plug it in in this. I'm like, you take that with you. She's like, this is my luxury. I do this. Because it's plastic and this whole thing. But I was like, first I was like, ha, ha, ha. And then I'm like, that's actually brilliant. And I'll follow you anyway.
Jenny Evans:
[1:04:45] Yeah, where do I get that? This is our coffee cup. I know it looks like I'm like drinking, chewing tobacco.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:04:52] I thought you were spitting. I thought you were doing a little....
Jenny Evans:
[1:04:56] Like instant coffee, and you just pour water in here and shake it up and drink it, and you're good to go. That's it.
Susan Evans:
[1:05:04] I am really good filtering, getting a piece of cloth and filtering the grinds through. And it's like, and then after a while I'm crunching grinds, I'm like, I'm okay, I'm awake now. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. It's good fiber. It is. I have very low travel, but I don't need a lot. Just like I said, bathroom and coffee. The rest, I'm...
Paul Konrardy:
[1:05:26] I've enjoyed this so much. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Susan Evans:
[1:05:31] Thank you for sharing that.
Jenny Evans:
[1:05:32] Yeah. It was good to see you guys. Um, I don't like we've been great traveling, but being able to connect with people that, you know, just, I mean, really excited me because you just kind of forget how important it is. Like having your people, the ones that know you in connection. So this was, this was really good. And it was a treat. Thank you.
Susan Evans:
[1:05:57] Well, that is the good thing about travel nowadays is that you can do this because before it would be a letter on a ship. They've been in America for seven months now
Paul Konrardy:
[1:06:07] Or the postcard I got from Susan three weeks after she got home yes
Susan Evans:
[1:06:13] Thank you, Florida. Hello.
Jenny Evans:
[1:06:19] We can make a lot of comments there, but we won't.
Susan Evans:
[1:06:21] Oh, so many that have been made already. Yes.
Jenny Evans:
[1:06:26] Sorry, Floridians.
Susan Evans:
[1:06:28] I think they know. I think they know.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:06:30] From the Monsters World Headquarters, I'm going to say farewell to you two. I hope you have a great time.
Jenny Evans:
[1:06:36] All right.
Susan Evans:
[1:06:37] Have fun. Have fun, you guys.
Paul Konrardy:
[1:06:40] Stay safe. Keep the monkeys off your back.
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